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i wasn't sure whether to start a new thread, or to post this here, in that i don't think that my confusion has anything to do with the ndlr per se.

but I am failing at this, and it points to my (still) total confusion regarding some of the usb routings.

At this point, sending midi out a din port is easy, and I succeed every time. I immediately got results by
1. plugging the ndlr into host port 1. this is the usb port that the ndlr motif 1 is sending on.
2. routing that input to output on din port 2, which I have connected to my synth.
Easy

However, this is what I want to do. For now, since I don't have all my midi synths connected to the mrcc, I wanted to also be able to route the midi through Ableton Live. Am not getting this to work at all.

I do not have any of the din ports from the mrcc connected, and I don't think I need them in theory....

So, how do I route this so that I can send out one of the mrcc ports to the same synth as above? I am obviously trying something that isn't correct - I press the input for the host synth, and the virtual port 1 is selected. I'm not sure how that comes into play, and I suspect that I am not using this virtual port correctly.

it would seem intuitively that I would route this input midi to the output of the pc port. Essentially, what i'm trying to do is do the actual routing to the synth from Live, and use the mrcc to send to the computer. But I am missing something. Will continue to look at this...

Edit: ok - first dumb thing....the synth only has din ports, so i can't direct the signal to it from live. I have to choose a synth that isn't yet connected.....but i should still see the midi on my software midi monitor if it is being routed to the computer correctly. So, still same basic confusion, but starting with a silly mistake.

Edit 2: hmmm - troubles with the manual again. So, the ndlr track is set up to go out USB1. Doesn't that correspond to the virtual port 1 on the mrcc?? Why does the quick start say to make sure to use virtual port 1? Wouldn't I select virtual port 2 for the input, if the ndlr was sending out on USB 2? the quick start then talks about what i thought was exactly what i'm looking for: "If the out-port is the USB PC port be sure that the virtual out-port cable is set to #1 (see step 2) - which refers back to the usb host routing? this would seem to be where i'm missing something important.

Edit 3: hmmm - ok, NOW the connection shows up between the host port and the pc out port, and it is showing on my software midi monitor. this has happened before, when i tried to figure this out. I'm totally unsure of what I did to get this routing set up, because it was not working at first As I understand it, that is.

Everything you're trying to do can be done.  One hurdle I had, not with Live, but with Studio One, was setting it's routings up correctly to take MIDI from any of the 12 virtual MRCC feeds coming in, and sending it back out to any of the 12 returning out, and I have a whole rant on that in another thread.  Since I haven't begun using Ableton Live yet I wouldn't be much help for that aspect.  What I would suggest for the MRCC end is to think of the total route in stages: first NDLR to MRCC,  then MRCC to PC, then PC to MRCC, and MRCC to synth.  The first two and last two stages each make a routing pair.  It sounds like you managed to get the first pair going, but don't remember how.

The first part of every pair, being a source (or input) will always be a left button or left button combo for virtual inputs.  In this case left USB button for whichever port you're using (A, B, C, or D) together with button 1, 2, 3, or 4 to the right (which are normally output buttons, but being used here just to choose the virtual port from the NDLR, so number 1 for now).  So that's set half of the NDLR route up; then for the output half of this pair, holding the right PC button (because it's your destination) select any of the 12 virtual ports, doesn't really matter which one so long as you also pick it in the software.

For the second half of the route, also a source and destination pair, start with the left PC button (as it's the input coming back from Live now) and hold it together with whichever of the 12 virtual ports you've set up in Live to feed out, so again, using the 12 output buttons not as outputs, but as selectors.  Then releasing the PC button, select the DIN output port in which your synth is the destination, and that finishes up that routing pair.

I hope that all makes sense and is correct, as I'm not in front of the unit at the moment and am going off memory, so good luck!